3.16.02: With Tired Eyes, Tired Minds, Tired Souls, We Slept (Part 2)

CW: This podcast episode includes frank discussions on gun violence, bullying, mental health and suicide. Please take care while listening. And a reminder that if you need to speak with someone, you can call the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. Help is available 24/7.

In this extension of our previous episode, we are joined by Gavi Kovacs, a forensic psychologist and fellow One Tree Hill fan, who helps us unpack the deeper themes of S3E16: With Tired Eyes, Tired Minds, Tired Souls, We Slept. We should also note that this episode is fully spoiled and we discuss storylines from the entire series. 

Our discussion with Gavi includes: 

• Jimmy’s relationship (or lack thereof) with incel culture
• Whether this episode is a responsible depiction of school shootings and mental health
• Various connections to another hit teen show, Degrassi
• A surprising parallel between Rachel and Jimmy
• Possible alternate versions of this storyline with Keith and Jimmy
• How Dan killing Keith is a completely separate storyline that undoes the overall lessons of this episode
• How much the characters need therapy (especially Peyton)
• Peyton’s possible hero worship syndrome in relation to her kissing Lucas in the library
• Whether it is wrong to feel sympathy for Jimmy, given the circumstances behind his character
• We also chat about fun stuff, such as whether Gavi ships Brucas or Leyton (you know we had to slip that in somehow!) and we get a visit from Gavi’s dog, Chad Michael Murray (who has an Instagram @chadthepoodle!)

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Check out our One Tree Hill season 3 Spotify playlist here: https://spoti.fi/3aRKgx2. 

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